Thank You, Manboobz

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Dearest Futrelle,

Our hearts and cocks swell gleefully with the transfused blood of the innocent thanks to your promotion of AVoiceForMen. You are truly a magnificent creature full of compassion to work so tirelessly to inform people of the MHRM, since we’ve had a disturbing lack of sex slaves. But objects shouldn’t need food, am I right? It was brilliant of you to appeal to the masses with your voluptuous boobs. Indeed, the beauty of the image is almost as great as your journalistic integrity. Seth Godin would be proud. We have members in our midst that joined our forums and started contributing to the MHRM after witnessing your passionate hand-flapping. One of our members actually never even heard of AVoiceForMen until you brought it up! You confirmed the age old suspicion of patriarchs that nothing could possibly go wrong with a good pair of boobs, especially on a well-fed gentlemen like yourself. We joke that we’ve been losing our sex slaves because you keep eating them all, but that distracts us from the good you’ve done for us. We don’t know exactly how many visitors we get from your site, but your infectious germalism is helping us further our cause to assist men and boys and doom women to another millennia of boot-licking. Because that’s obviously what we are about, right?

Sarcasm aside, both the men and women of the AVFM forums thank you for the traffic. We come to you not as representatives of AVFM, but appreciative beneficiaries of the platform. Thank you for finding us new barmates!

Strokes and pokes from AVFM Forums,
Reyeko, Victor Zen, AnAlias, Mr. Scruffles, heartless bastard

Thanks to Europa Pheonix for the illustration!


What “Mangina” Means

Some think “mangina” means “a man with feminine traits,” and accuse anyone who says “mangina” of indirectly insulting women by using femininity as a mark of shame. That is not what it means to many MHRAs, MGTOWs or others concerned about men and boys.

To a lot of us, a “mangina” is a philogynic misandrist. A man who puts women above men.

That’s it.

There is no intended insult to women in the word. It is an accusation of sexism directed at a man who would do anything for a woman, even if it means engaging in self-destructive behavior or selling out other men.

Do not misunderstand me when I say I hate the word, since I have zero intention to try to tell people what to say. The connotations “mangina” carries just makes people unwilling to listen to further criticisms. Even so, men who actively participate in the deification of women and the demonization of men perpetuate cultural misandry, and they can expect to be called out on their sexism. So me hating the word is irrelevant, since, like it or not, it is a useful warning to other MHRAs or MGTOWs in earshot that a philogynic misandrist is near.

We All Have Problems

Men and women suffer, but the harm of a woman sparks outrage, whereas the harm of a man stirs hesitant, obligatory moments of silence at best. Ideologies that advertise total gender egalitarianism like feminism have to scramble for justification when focusing on women. Earl Silverman tried and failed to open his shelter because a certain gender egalitarian ideology wasn’t fulfilling some pressing needs. Feminism crowns itself as queen of both women’s issues and men’s issues, then berates men for not doing enough to help themselves.

I wouldn’t be an MHRA if there was an organization out there that could help everyone, but the realities of conflicting interests and financial limitations make me gravitate towards specialists. I respect interest groups that work for the betterment of its target demographic without infringing on the rights of others. I can totally respect a women’s rights organization, but it first has to admit that it is one, and stop trying to play both sides of the fence when it does not make sense. Stop trying to save the world.

There are men who are hurting, and I am helping them however I can. In some ways, I hurt, and I want to help myself without being told to care more about women just because they are women. So if you tell me that women are hurting, I will simply say men are hurting too, and I am tending to those issues with what limited resources I have. All I can offer women are my sympathies, and a promise to not infringe on their own rights as human beings, which should be enough for them to fight their own fight. I advocate many women’s issues, including women in combat and the right to an abortion, but I can only be so active.

We all have problems. Stop trying to make me care less about mine.

Mythbusting the Gender Zeitgeist

Some things are believed because they are demonstrably true. But many other things are believed simply because they have been asserted repeatedly.

Thomas Sowell

This post will be updated as new information is gathered. Feel free to report errors or offer new sources. I will be honest about any mistakes I have made, since this post is being developed organically, and some of the statistics I am looking at vary widely depending on who is reporting it. There’s a lot of bias out there, and work has to be done to sort it out.


Times are in GMT-5

7/15/13 00:49 – Australia example removed in gender voting demographics report. Typed it in a brain fart without citing a source. Sorry about that.

7/15/13 01:02 – Clarified statements on false rape allegations.

7/16/13 09:42 – Added info on pay gap myth

7/16/13 09:48 – Added “Kudos” section to thank contributors

7/16/13 11:36 – Corrected Salafist muslim info; Their reach extends beyond Saudi Arabia


Thanks go to MrScruffles, Lucian-Valsan, Yesiamjames, dhanu of the AVFM forums for their feedback.


Most cultures live in a patriarchy, that is, (quote Wikipedia) “a social system in which the male is the primary authority figure central to social organization and the central roles of political leadership, moral authority, and control of property, and where fathers hold authority over women and children. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and entails female subordination.”


Cultures have differing expectations of the sexes, and have established different gender roles throughout history. Both men and women have been given sex-based privileges and restrictions based on their perceived strengths in our sexually dimorphic species. Modeling society by only viewing the negative experiences of one sex is misleading, since this ignores the negative experiences of the other. Dr. Warren Farrell, former board member of N.O.W. and one of the pioneers of renewed compassion for both men and women, documented this at length in The Myth of Male Power.


There is a omnipresent rape culture, where rape is in some form or fashion condoned, glorified or tolerated by citizens, law enforcement officials or courts.


Rape is condoned in some areas, but not all. Rape is a traumatizing experience that was only elevated to the level of cultural integration in (thankfully) tiny pockets on a global scale. Salafist Muslims marry and bed with girls as young as nine, with their consent being decided by the husband, and “corrective rape” of lesbians is a phenomenon in South Africa.

However, the concept of rape culture falls short when looking at Western cultures, where it is false allegations of rape that are pervasive in the system, not rape itself [1]. This is not to say that false accusations have always outnumbered genuine cases of rape, but that rape figure reports have varied widely depending on how “rape” is defined, while victims of false allegations suffer clearly and consistently from false rape accusations brought on by a paranoid narrative. A set of isolated occurrences or rape or intolerant claims made by officials, while shocking, do not necessarily represent the interests of a culture, so the reaction of a sovereign and its constituents to such occurrences are more telling. As it stands now in Westernized civilizations, the rape of a woman is a cause for outrage. This would not be the case in a rape culture.


We live in a patriarchy because men predominate positions of authority in politics and business.


Men also predominate victims of suicide, homelessness and false convictions, yet there is no talk about us living in a society that victimizes men. Cherry picking who represents the male population will only give us flawed perspectives. Men commit suicide three to four times more than women do [1][2]. In June 2009, it was reported by the National Coalition for the Homeless that 67.5% of the single homeless population are male, and this population accounts for 76% of the total population surveyed.

Male representatives and business owners are not in their positions simply because they are men, or because they only represent men. The vast majority of them had to pass job interviews just like anyone else. In the case of politicians in Western democracies, women participate as majority voter, and have a clear role in electing representatives. In 2004, the Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance reported that women had a larger voter turnout than men since the mid-1980s in Finland, Iceland, Sweden, Norway and Germany, and the graph showing the gender gap on voter turnout is expanding in women’s favor (shown below).

IDEA graph for the gender gap in voter turnout across five European countries

The same majority voter status for women can also be observed in Canada and the U.S.A. The Center for American Women and Politics reports “that the number of female voters has exceeded the number of male voters in every presidential election since 1964,” whereas the proportion of female voters dominated the proportion of male voters since the 80s.

CAWP voter turnout graph for women and men

If women wish to have less men holding political offices, and they have the voting power to see that happen, male predominance in political offices is temporary.

Business executives are driven by the interests consumers in the private sector, where women are major consumers. Men would not be in those positions if they could not be trusted to appeal to their target markets, be they full of men or women. In both cases of politicians and business executives, women’s interests may be vital to their careers should women be among those who they represent. Therefore, they cannot expect to remain in their positions by angering half the human population. Men with power cannot sustain a massive, decorated career supporting men’s interests alone. While women face their own problems in the face of adversity borne in religious persecution and some forms of traditionalism, such hardships cannot fairly be cast as men having lasting power over the choices women make.


Women in Western capitalist societies are paid less than men for the same work due to discrimination in the workplace.


If this is true, then it makes no sense to hire men. This assumes is that you can pay a woman less to offer you the same value, which is a competitive advantage for women. In the event that an employer discriminates by hiring men for the same work at a higher wage, that employer takes on additional costs he does not need to pay, therefore burdening him with the additional expense of men. On this subject, economist Milton Friedman pointed out that if you force equal pay for the sexes, you take away women’s competitive advantage and remove the cost of discrimination from the employer.

Speaking more directly to the claim, the assumption that women make circa three-quarters of what men make is based on taking the mean of men’s and women’s salaries. But simply taking the mean of gathered numbers does not speak to why the numbers are the way they are. Women earn less because, statistically, they tend to make choices that result in lower wages but higher security in social life.

Feminist Literature

This is another mirror of a forum post by Leviathan, but this time it covers Feminist literature for those who want to research both sides.


Title says it all. A list of feminist books, for those who might be interested in researching the other side:


“Intercourse” by Andrea Dworkin

“Pornography” by Andrea Dworkin

“Against Our Will” by Susan Brownmiller

“Guyland” by Michael Kimmel

“Full Frontal Feminism” by Jessica Valenti

“Vindication of the Rights of Woman” by Mary Wollstonecraft

“The Second Sex” by Simone de Beauvoir

“SCUM Manifesto” by Valerie Solanas

“The Feminine Mystique” by Betty Friedan

“The Beauty Myth” by Naomi Wolf

“Whose Science?” by Sandra Harding

“Feminism is for Everybody” by Bell Hooks.


“Feminist Theory, Fourth Edition: The Intellectual Traditions” by Josephine Donovan

“Feminist Theory Reader: Local and Global Perspectives” by Carole Mccann and Seung-kyung Kim

“Feminist Literary Theory and Criticism: A Norton Reader” by Sandra M. Gilbert and Susan Gubar

“The Second Wave: A Reader in Feminist Theory” by Linda Nicholson

“Introduction to Feminist Legal Theory, Third Edition” by Martha E. Chamallas

“Towards a Feminist Theory of the State” by Catharine Mackinnon

That’s it for now. Will add more as I find them. As with my other thread below; feel free to suggest new books.